July 2nd, 2009 UPDATE: Final Guidance is IN!!!
6/17/2009 EDITOR’S NOTE: PLEASE SEE NEW INFORMATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST BEGINNING WITH: “NEW SECTION ADDED 6/17/2009 STARTS HERE!!”
I’m getting numerous reports and feedback on this issue that the Initial Commissions report which CMS has been putting out to Health Plans do not contain all the cases to which they should be entitled to the Initial Commission level.
I realize this is a long blog post, so I apologize in advance, but I’m trying to justify what may amount to thousands and thousands of commission dollars for many hard working, independent insurance agents who have waited 6-7 months to get paid what they are owed for the work they performed last November and December.
First of all, let me define a couple of terms. First off, there is what I’ll be calling the “Old Report” which CMS issued on April 27th. See my original blog post here on that.
Then, there were stories that there were errors in the file which caused a number of Managed Care Organizations (MCO’s) to withhold payment.
This resulted in what I’ll be calling the “New Report” which CMS pushed out to the MCO’s on June 4th. See my blog post on that here.
I’ve blogged so many articles on this, that I can’t keep them all strait, but if you search on “CMS Commissions” in the search box in the upper right hand corner of this blog page, you will get the majority of them. . .
In any case, from what I’m hearing, the “New Files” DO NOT CONTAIN those Medicare Beneficiaries who were enrolled from Original Medicare into Medicare Advantage for the FIRST time if they had a Stand Alone Prescription Drug Plan (PDP).
I went back to look at the CMS Guidance on Commissions which I posted late last year. Here is a link to the Interim Final Guidance from CMS which was issued on November 14th, 2008.
Without going through the entire document on this blog, I’ll copy and paste what I believe is the most clear portion of the guidance (this is found in the far right column on the page numbered 67408 and continues onto page 67409 (I bolded key portions for emphasis, but kept the whole passage for context):
We do not currently have the administrative capability to communicate to plans as part of our enrollment acceptance process whether an individual enrolling in a plan in 2009 is a new enrollee to Part C or Part D, or an individual who, under the compensation structure provided for in this interim final rule, is subject to the renewal compensation level rather than the initial compensation level. Thus, we are in this interim final rule, for 2009 only, initially deeming all individuals enrolling in a plan to be in the first year of the five renewal years in the six-year cycle provided for under these regulations.
This means that for enrollments with effective dates in 2009, the MA or PDP plan initially pays the renewal compensation amount to the broker or agent enrolling an individual. Several times in 2009, we will run a report identifying those beneficiaries enrolled in an MA plan or PDP who were newly entitled or enrolled from original Medicare.We will sort the report by plan and send each organization the list of enrollees in a plan offered by that organization, for which, if an agent or broker wrote the policy, that agent or broker would be entitled to an initial compensation amount. Organizations can use the report to identify the agents or brokers who are entitled to an initial
compensation amount.
Under this interim final rule, organizations will be required to adjust the compensation from renewal compensation in these cases only to the amount that would have been paid in compensation for an initial enrollment under the six year cycle in question. For the remainder of 2009, this interim final rule requires that organizations pay agents and brokers an initial compensation when a beneficiary enrolls in an MA plan during the beneficiary’s Initial overage Election Period (ICEP) or in a PDP during the Initial Enrollment Period (IEP). This approach enables organizations to compensate agents and brokers for the additional work involved in explaining all of the attributes of an MA plan (and the Part C program generally) or a PDP (and the Part D program generally) to a beneficiary who has had no prior experience with Part C or Part D, while at the same time reducing the financial incentive for moving a beneficiary who is in a renewal cycle (and is thus already familiar with these types of products) to a new plan that may be contrary to his or her health care needs.
Now back to my comments. First off, CMS say they will run a report identifying newly entitled OR ENROLLED FROM ORIGINAL MEDICARE. This says nothing about whether or not they had a PDP. Assuming these people appear on the list, the broker is ENTITLED TO AN INITIAL COMPENSATION AMOUNT. Seems pretty clear, right??
Further, CMS explains the purpose behind the methodology that this is to compensate brokers for additional work in explaining all of the attributes of an MA plan. Seems to me that it would be necessary to EXPLAIN ALL OF THE ATTRIBUTES of an MA Plan to someone who has Original Medicare (WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A PDP!!)
Now there was further guidance given by CMS on December 24th. I’ve affectionally labeled this MEMO, “CMS’s Christmas Present to Agents”. (click link for the document which I uploaded late last year—> commissionsmemo12-24
The first couple of pages outline the way which CMS established the maximum commission for each of the 50 state with Initial Commissions EXACTLY twice the Renewal commission rate. If you go to the bottom of page 3 (the last page) you will find this sentence (Again, I’m copying and pasting and bolding for emphasis. . .)
Finally, I’ll jump back to the page 67408 of the Federal Register. Here is the quote from the top portion of the LEFT hand column:
These rules provided that, after a beneficiary is enrolled in an MA plan or PDP by an agent or broker, a renewal compensation would be paid for five years after the initial compensation, and that if any agent or broker enrolls the beneficiary in a different plan of a ‘‘like plan type’’ during this five-year period, renewal compensation would be paid. A ‘‘like plan type’’ refers to PDP, MA or MA–PD, or cost plan (as defined in 422.2274(a)(3)(i) and 423.2274(a)(3)(i)).
So, this would infer that if you are not moving a Medicare Beneficiary to a “LIKE PLAN TYPE” you would be entitled to an Initial commission.
In the draft CMS Marketing Guidelines, (this draft came out on May 15th, 2009 and the text is on PAGE 129), you learn that you can receive an initial commission and start if you move an enrollee to a different plan type WITHIN THE EXISTING PLAN SPONSOR. So you don’t get an initial commission if you move someone to a different plan type with another Plan Sponsor?? That seems absurd! Original Medicare isn’t even a “Plan Sponsor” as far as I know, so this makes no sense to me. Is this where they are getting the Original Medicare and PDP by looking at the Plan Sponsor on the PDP plan?? God help us. . .
What is a Like Plan Type as defined in 422.2274(a)(3)(i) and 423.2274(a)(3)(i)?? I’ve tried my best to figure this out, but can’t seem to find the source, just a bunch of citations which refer to it. Maybe a carrier can help me figure this out?!?
OK, now my brain hurts and I must get some sleep!!
NEW SECTION ADDED 6/17/2009 STARTS HERE!!
Many, many thanks to “KT” who provided me with the resource to view 422.2274(a)(3)(i): Also, note the following section (a)(3)(i) which states: “Replacements between different plan types (for which a new compensation is paid) include–PDP and MA-PD, PDP and cost plans, or MA-PD and cost plans.” That seems pretty clear as well. Note that this says “includes” which would infer that these are some of the examples, but not an “all-inclusive” list. Some other examples might include PDP and MA and Cost Plans and MA. However, it seems to me that so long as you are not replacing “like plan types” which are uniquely and specificially defined in this section (PDP to PDP, MAPD/MA to MAPD/MA, and Cost Plan to Cost Plan), you are entitled to a “new compensation” which I think means “initial compensation” NOT “renewal compensation”.
So, here is how I follow the logical progression:
1. 422.2274(a)(3) Clearly says, no entity can provide comp greater than renewal if an existing policy is replaced with a like plan during the first year and 5 renewal years.
2. 422.2274(a)(3)(i) Clearly defines what a like plan is. . .(PDP to PDP), (MAPD/MA to MAPD/MA) and (Cost Plan to Cost Plan)
3. Therefore, if you are not replacing with a LIKE PLAN (PDP to MA) or (PDP to MAPD), YOU GET PAID INITIAL COMP!!!
4. 422.2744(a)(3)(ii) states the same thing AGAIN. Replacements between different plans = INITIAL COMP!!
Here is the entire section (422.2274 (a)) with (3)(i) BOLDED.
If a Medicare Advantage organization markets through employed or independent brokers or agents–
(a) Agents and brokers must be compensated as follows:
(1) An MA plan (or other entity on its behalf) may provide compensation to a broker or agent for the sale of a MA product only if
the aggregate of the first year compensation is no more than 200 percent of the aggregate of the compensation paid for selling or servicing the
enrollee in each individual subsequent renewal year, of which there must be a total of five renewal years (creating a 6-year compensation cycle).
For purposes of this section, “compensation”–
(i) Includes pecuniary or non-pecuniary remuneration of any kind relating to the sale or renewal of the policy including but not limited to commissions, bonuses, gifts, prizes, awards and finders fees.
(ii) Does not include salary or other benefits related to employment, except to the extent that the salary or other benefits are related to the volume of sales.
(iii) Does not include the payment of fees to comply with State appointment laws, training, certification, and testing costs; and reimbursement for mileage to and from appointments with beneficiaries and reimbursement for actual costs associated with beneficiary sales appointments such as venue rent, snacks, and materials.
(2) If compensation is paid in the first year, renewal compensation must be paid for no fewer than 5 renewal years (6-year compensation cycle), provided that the enrollee remains enrolled in the plan.
(3) No entity shall provide aggregate compensation to its agents or brokers and no agent or broker shall receive aggregate compensation greater than the renewal compensation payable by the replacing plan on renewal policies if an existing policy is replaced with a like plan type during the first year and 5 renewal years (6-year compensation cycle).
(i) For purposes of this section, “like plan type” means PDP replaced with another PDP, MA or MA-PD replaced with another MA or MA-PD, or cost plan replaced with another cost plan.
(ii) Replacements between different plan types (for which a new compensation is paid) include–PDP and MA-PD, PDP and cost plans, or MA-PD and cost plans.
(4) Compensation shall be earned for months 4 through 12 of the enrollment year.

I’ve been in the insurance business for thirty years. I run my own operation from P&C to life/health, etc.
I will not be selling any MA plans this year. I spend a lot of time with a prospect going over their docs, their drugs, etc. I am not a hit 10 prospects in a seminar type of guy. I have no idea how you can do the job correctly signing up 10 people without doing one on one planning. Maybe it is becasue I had a Series 7 license for 15 years and feel that someone needs to fully understand a plan.
Because of last years initial commission fiasco, this year (be it a small amount) you need to pony up $145 for the AHIP testing and all the stress of CMS rules…….I am out!
I thought the NASD rules were egregious and crazy but the CMS rules are as bad and in some ways, worse. Look at the rules on referrals, there are more things you can’t do to contact people than what you can do.
Sixty years old and I hate government more than any time in my life. So many, many years in selling insurance, stocks, etc., and I have not one complaint. I am clean as a whistle and ethical. I can no longer understand where the heads reside of the elected officials with arcane rules and regs.
So I am out of MA selling and will be spending my time on my P&C business.
Today is nearly a year since the 2009 selling season started and I have yet to be paid all the commission I am due for my work from November all through the year. I left my previous company because I was tired of being jerked around. I still do not know who is to blame but I sure could have used the over $2000 I am still owed and have no idea where to go to get it.
I pray this year will be better.
Curious, what company are you waiting on? We only recently got paid from the final outstanding company to pay us. I am not positive payments were accurate but that is for another day; they were at least close and we’re too busy with the current seasons work to do a closer review now.
I am tired of being lied to after all the hard work I have done selling the MA plans and helping people, answering their questions, then to “not” get paid. My company is now saying that all reports from CMS have been halted and “they” the company do not know when the second half of our compensation will be paid. This, after a broadcast e-mail went out saying that all initial enrolless will be paid the first half of compensation the first month after enrollment, then the second half will be paid the following month. Example:Enrollee is eligible May 1, first half is paid in June, second half in July. Now we are being told we cannot be paid the second half because the verification reports have stopped. Who is kidding who?! Members are verified “before” they are put on a plan! I live in Arizona and am fed up! I am speaking to an attorney this week. Is this insurance company collusion? Please contact me if you are interested in joining a “class-action” lawsuit. Enough of this BS!
Marcy:
I understand you’re frustrated, however, CMS just reversed their decision last Friday. I’d give it a couple more weeks before you start incurring legal fees as the carriers do not have the CMS files at this point. I don’t think legal action will result in any quicker payment for you. Just my opinion.
Craig
Does anyone have updated information as of Aug 8th? I am still waiting on some 1/1 and all of my 2/1, 3/1 commissions. What about a class action suit…..has anyone brought about a suit?
Any new information??
I am so glad this website is up to find out what is going on in the Medicare Advantage world, because I just keep getting the same hype, and the companies are expecting us to hit the ground running with 2010 enrollees. It makes me sick to read the first quarter reports about how well the companies did with the 2008 medicare advantage season and you have agents out here starving trying to make a living. Would you work any job on the basis you get paid six months later. If you got a job at a corporation would you work for free for six months without pay, most people have a hard time with companies holding back two weeks. Now I hear they will be mailing paper checks from my company instead of direct deposit. But so far none has shown up. Very disappointed, this was my first year in Med Advantage and I can’t believe I spent the first three months of this year, answering customer calls, to help them get things processed. One client, still in June had not been billed for her MAPD and it was a bank draft. Hmmm. We have called numerous times, others never received a card, it took three times to call and get a card for them. And on and on. Med Advantage is not the answer for seniors. And it certainly is not a good product for agents. My clients would be appalled knowing I still had not gotten paid for the work done in Nov. and Dec of 2008. And I still have to work for them, because I want my clients to be taken care of. Class Action may be the answer. Our gov. seems to do whatever they want to, whenever they want.
It’s time to take action. I’m tired of listening to excuses from my upline and the insurance companies. I am curious to how much interest they have accumulated on our money and also how much money they have stolen from all of us! So, what is our next step? We need to band together now to improve our situation for 2010.
Roger,
This is what I’ve been saying all along. I put this in my prior comments. We DO need to all band together. I think one way that we can do this is to start a nationwide petition. I don’t know if Craig would post a general blog to all of his subscribers to ask permission to contact them or in some way be able to do an online electronic petition. The more people that get involved, the louder our cause gets. The more we ALL get involved, the more that CMS and the insurance companies will listen and hopefully be compelled to pay us our money! I do appreciate all of Craig’s hard work and the fact that he has this site and how much he is trying to find a resolution. I just know that we are stronger in numbers!
I am ready to contact our representatives!
I think this could be a class action lawsuit. They changed the rules after the game was over. I have never heard of such a thing. If a company had tried to ever do this they would not have had a leg to stand on. (hence the reason for contracts). We are not asking for the sun, moon and stars we are just asking for the money we agreed to in the beginning. We all have families to support with this money, but I guess we are expendable because we are all evil insurance agents who dont have a heart and only out to rip off the poor old people. The truth is that 98% of us really love our clients, and develop relationships with them.
They are just going to make sure the only agents medicare beneficiaries will have to work with are the low lifes they are trying to protect them from. Is that ironic? We really need to get in there as a group and fight this.
I recieved pay from American Progressive(a universal american company) finally they paid me for about 5 out of 17 Enrollees that i sold Medicare advantage. Im not really excited that i only got paid on 5 cases but at least i got something. Obviously CMS is the reason for this… what can we really do?
WOW!
I can’t believe what they are trying to do and will do to agents.
Does this mean we should be able to tell our clients not to bother us with questions because we no longer get paid for that?
If thi si true I wam no longer int he business.
it was tough enough as it was!
No way will I go though all the certifications for change money
this spells it out very clearly I am passing this on to other agents, it is very clear to me they have no basis to tell mco’s
to not pay us on all original medicare enrollees coming into the system for the first time. I am told that the MCO’s also are not requireed to pay the money back to medicare that they have allready paid agents and are not debiting agent accounts for.
This means they can keep the money they were supposed to pay us to begin with and they say they are penalized if they do not recover it from the agents by CMS
It’s now time to contact our senators and representatives. Might consider deducting the amount the GOVERNMENT owes us from any income taxes to be paid for this year.